From Air Force Volunteer to Missionary: A Journey of Unexpected Purpose and Resilient Faith

You know that unexpected journey we all take, where we find ourselves in the most unexpected places, doing the most unforeseen things – well, our guest for today's episode has an even more remarkable journey. Joseph Hovsepian, born to genocide survivors, went from volunteering in the Air Force to becoming a wireless engineer and finally finding his purpose as a pastor and missionary. His life stands as a testament to the power of faith and the beautiful mysteries of life's journey.

Joseph takes us on his incredible journey of becoming a pastor and missionary, sharing the valuable lessons he's learned. His story is a beautiful tapestry of faith and dedication stitched together with the threads of his experiences. With the Great Commission as his guiding light, Joseph opens up about the trials and triumphs of his work in Armenia. From the people's pressing physical and spiritual needs to the impact of corruption and poverty, he provides a heart-rending view of the ground reality. His unwavering commitment to his faith and his mission is truly inspiring.

Towards the end, Joseph shares his insights on how we can live out our faith in our everyday lives. Whether it's running a business or simply engaging with people around us, every interaction is an opportunity to share the message of Jesus Christ. Joseph's remarkable journey of faith is not just a story of a man who found his purpose; it's a lesson of hope, resilience, and unwavering faith in the face of adversity. So, join us on this enlightening journey as we learn, grow and discover our own faith and purpose along the way.


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Chapters

• 0:00 Discovering Purpose Through the Great Commission
• 16:42 Sharing the Message of Jesus Christ
• 24:38 Missions and Spiritual Needs in Armenia
• 36:34 Finding Purpose in Following Christ

Transcript

0:00:00 - Ruth Hovsepian
The following year I went to Horon and I said I'm going to rebuild the church. So I came back to Canada and I encouraged the church and I encouraged donors to help us rebuild the church. And now, if you go to the church Ruth went with me a couple of weeks ago it's brand new, beautiful and very active. 

0:00:28 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Hi, I'm Ruth Hovsepian . Welcome to the Out of the Darkness podcast, where we help you navigate life's trials based on faith and biblical truths. Today, my guest is Joseph Hovsepian, who is also my father. We are going to talk with him about the Great Commission and the purpose in our lives. We'll touch on how he became a pastor in his 40s and a missionary in his 60s. We'll talk a little bit about how his tracks came about and they are translated into multiple languages, and his book God's Workshop, which is translated into Armenian and Greek. 

Welcome to Out of the Darkness, dad. And for those that don't know, you are my dad and your name. Your name is Joseph Hovsepian. Welcome to Out of the Darkness. 

This is so weird seeing you on the other side of my screen or my headset, whatever you want to call it, but hello, it's odd, hello, hello, alright, dad. So I wanted you to be on today so we could talk about the Great Commission, what our purpose in life is, or how can we discover what our purpose in life is, and I thought that you would be a good person to have on for this for a couple of reasons. One you started your career off at a young age doing one thing and then somewhere in your 40s and 50s, you started doing a second career, if you want to call it, or trade, and then in your 60s you started doing something else. So I want to talk about those things and encourage people that there is a reason for things going the way they are in life. So let's start with a very basic stat who are you and where do you come from? 

0:02:39 - Ruth Hovsepian
I am Joseph Hovsepian. I am the grandson of genocide survivors who came from Turkey to Athens, and my parents were little children, like 8-9 years old, when they escaped the genocide and came to Greece there. They grew up there and then they met each other my father and my mom and they got married. My father was a born again believer. My mom was not, but she was a very religious person. She would light her candles and pray to the icons and she was very sincere. But when her father hired a young man to work for his factory, this young man gave a Bible to my mother and she accepted it. She started reading it and then, when she came to John 3.16, she was so moved the Holy Spirit touched her heart that she came on her knees and she prayed and she said Jesus, I want to follow you, I want to be your child. Then she came home. 

She went home and removed all her earrings and removed her lipstick and said I don't want any of this, I want to follow Jesus. Eventually they got married and we were born to them, my sister and I. I was brought up in a Christian family, evangelical Christian, very conservative background, very strict. At the age of, I would say, 15, someone gave me a truck, a small little pamphlet, and I read it and I said, oh, I want to do the same thing. So I went to a printer and I said, sir, I want to print a truck. How much would you charge me? Oh, he said you can't afford it, you are a young man. I said I will work for you. So he said, ok, so I started working for him and then he printed these two trucks. I was 15 when that was printed and then I printed these. But the first one was about choosing our way, the narrow and the wide road, and that was it. And then I wanted to become an electronics engineer. I started experimenting things and I fell in love with electronics. 

My father called me once when I was maybe 15, 16. He said, son, I want to talk to you. Oh, I said he's going to talk to me about girls and how to handle girls. And he called me and he said, sit down. I said I want you to become a pastor, I want you to go to France and study in theology and I'll get another job and I'll support you, I'll pay for all the expenses. And I said, dad, I don't want to become a pastor, I don't like preaching. My desire, my love, is electronics. He says if you study, if you want to go and study and become a pastor, I'll pay for it. But if you want to follow your desire and become electronics, then I'll pay for you. 

I said look at that, pray for me. And he started praying. Well, at the age of 17,. I was very discouraged because my uncle in Canada did not invite me. I asked him to bring me to Canada and he said no, no, you're too young, you can't. 

And I was so discouraged I went to Athens, to the Air Force offices and I said I want to volunteer. I want to become a pilot or an engineer, a wireless engineer. They said okay, if you want to volunteer, fill these papers. I did fill the papers, I volunteered, I signed the papers and I went home and I said Dad, mom, I'm going to the Air Force. I volunteered, oh, they just fell apart, but I went anyway. I was 17 when I joined the Air Force and after studying for a while in the Air Force, they asked me to become our king's airplane's tester or test the equipment. And that's what I did. For 28 months I was in the Air Force checking equipment and fixing the electronic equipment wireless engineer. They called me Then, when I finished, I came to Canada and the first week I came they I said there were some Armenians I met and they said you want to go to church? I said yeah of course. 

So they brought me to a Baptist church. I didn't speak any English or French, but I could understand few words in English. So I started going to that church. The pastor was a young man, paul Stevens. He still is alive in Vancouver. He is the Dean of the Theological Seminary, the region college, and he said look, you'll learn English and you will teach the kids. I said no, I can't. He said you can't. So I started teaching little kids with very few words I knew, and then eventually, in about two years, he asked me to teach a adult class and that's the beginning at Temple. 

At the age of let's see, about 35, 38, they asked me to start preaching at the church, and I did. And at the age of 40, when our pastors left and they wanted to shut the church down or turn it to some kind of a different nationality, I said no, I want to continue as a church, we want to continue as a church. So they inducted me as a pastor and I was ordained after a few years that was about 40 years ago and I'm still the pastor of the church. We've had many ministries started in our Armenian congregation, a Greek congregation, a Spanish congregation, a Chinese congregation and an Italian congregation, and these did grow to the point of just leaving the church and starting their own churches. So that has been a challenge. Now, why am I so attached to ministry? Why am I so involved with evangelism and outreach? Because of my parents. My father and my mother would distribute drugs and bibles in Greece. My dad was in the hospital with serious surgery and after the surgery he said bring me some bibles. So he brought him about 20 bibles. He started distributing them in the church and that made me decide that that was my life. So the drugs I showed you started the thing. And then, when I came to Canada, I said I'm going to continue that and I asked my wife to help me print this drug. What are you searching for? She had to type it on a typewriter and we printed a few hundred, and then it was so successful that we turned it into color and it was printed in a printing house. And it was so successful and it was printed many, many times. And now it is this what are you searching for? In English and in French, this has been printed, or maybe a few million times. And then I printed it in Armenian, inchespundrum, which means what are you searching for. And then that led to another drug, a letter from the postman. Now, this drug what are you searching for? 

Has been translated into 15 languages, different languages, and this is all about Elvis Presley and Elizabeth Taylor and how they live their life and what happened at the end. These two stories end up with a prayer that people pray to accept the Lord. And then Jimmy Hendrix was someone that inspired me to write in French or in English, godpeace, and it's his life and death and how. And these have been printed in Armenian, many, many times in Armenian. So this has been a challenge for me, a desire. I am compelled to do it. People tell me I am now 84 years old, why do you do it? Why don't you relax? And I tell them it's not I, it's the Holy Spirit that compels me to do it. 

I forgot to mention to you that I wrote a book which is called God's Workshop and it has short messages for daily reading, which was translated in Armenian. Three printings of close to a few hundred thousand I don't know how many thousands really and then I got a call from Greece asking permission to print it in Greek, which is the same thing. And then, in Armenia, we printed this. That's your life as a meaning, and all these books are distributed freely. We pay for them, I pay for them, and we don't charge you a penny, and we spend many thousands of dollars just printing them and distributing them. Now, that's the end of my presentation. 

0:14:39 - Joseph  Hovsepian
That is the synopsis of 84 years. Ladies and gentlemen, sort of, sort of, but I want to go back a little bit and ask about some of the things that did happen. And one of the things that I want people to understand is, over all of these years in Canada, you started a business, which you still have, and you never stopped when you became a pastor. So we have always referred to what you do as being a tent maker, referring to what Paul did, working two different jobs or two different fields of work. So you have maintained your business and you've been a pastor full time. Tell us a little bit about how you have used your business as ministry. 

0:15:36 - Ruth Hovsepian
Okay, first of all, there are two reasons why I keep my business. The first is because I don't want the church to pay my salary, any salary and whatever money they wanted to give me. I asked them to be used for missions and outreach and evangelism. That's number one. Number two my ministry, my pulpit, is actually my business. The church is together in place of those who have accepted the Lord or want to know more about the Lord and want to have to worship. 

This Sunday, a gentleman came to our church after the sermon no, before the sermon, actually. I met him and I said hi. He said oh, I've been coming to your store for a while and I decided to come and see, and this was the second time he came. Well, there have been many situations like that. People, visitors, tourists come in and I start talking to them, give them trucks, give them my book, and that's where I reach out to young people who are lost. 

Let me say this it is very sad, very discouraging to meet people who would come in and I started a conversation about spirituality and they all say now I'm a Catholic, I'm Protestant, but I don't go to church, I don't care about religion anymore. It's a big racket and I tell them it's possible that they say no, no, no, it's not possible. I come from a church. All they wanted to talk about was money and how to grow and how to reach a certain number of people coming in and parking lots. But I said I'm not religious. They said, but then they would come in and say but you say you are a pastor. I say I'm a father of Jesus Christ. God hates religion. I hate religion, I don't follow any religion, but Jesus Christ is my only leader and I follow him and I worship him. 

So my business is 84. I have this business for 65 years actually 63 here and even before I came here and I believe that I have done more evangelies in my business than the public. The public is somewhere that I go in and preach and teach Sunday school or sometimes I did, and now a way of Bible studies. But the same people come in, the same people go out, the same people hear the same message 1,000 times and nothing changes unless new people come in, unless we reach out and bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to those who have left their churches, who have never been to church. Just two days ago, three days ago, we had our men's breakfast and I asked a gentleman what about spirituality? He said, to be honest with you, I've never been spiritual. I never thought about religion. 

0:18:58 - Joseph  Hovsepian
But what I hear now I like it. 

0:19:01 - Ruth Hovsepian
You're talking about God and Jesus, so my business is where I meet people. 

0:19:09 - Joseph  Hovsepian
I think that this is an example for everyone, because I wanted to really touch upon what the Great Commission is, because a lot of times people don't know what their purpose is in life. They kind of struggle. They go through life wondering what the Lord wants them to do. But I think one thing that we should be sure of and know that we are all no matter how old we are, where we live, where we come from, our financial status is that our purpose is to tell others about Christ and the gift of salvation, and I think that this is something very important. Whether we're at work, we're at the gym, it doesn't matter where it is. 

I know that when grandma was one of those people and we always tell the story about how she would be sitting on the bus and my grandmother spoke English very little and sometimes I wonder if I speak it too and my tongue gets tied but she really struggled with English. Right, it wasn't her first language. She was in her 50s when she came to Canada and yet somehow she was a witness to so many people we don't know we will only ever know in heaven, and she would give tracks and her opening line most of the time, and I saw her doing it, even sitting on the bench in the front of her home was do you know Jesus or do you love Jesus? And the conversation would go from there, and she always had a track. And I think that this is what we need. It's like a muscle. We need to exercise it, we need to use it and, most of all, I think when we start the day off, we have to pray to the Lord and prepare ourselves for opportunities that he can present us with, and I think that we miss those opportunities because we're not looking for them. 

But when we start the day off saying every opportunity that the Lord gives, I will witness, we will see so many opportunities. So you know, you started your business and then you did what grandpa actually wanted you to be doing was to be a pastor, and you have been a pastor consistently, you know, for the last 40 odd years. And then in your 60s, it wasn't enough that you had been doing all of this, and we have to also say that during those years, you were involved in different types of ministries as well. Whether it was in the 80s with the Ghanaian refugees that were coming into Canada there was a movement there you were involved with whether it was Billy Graham coming into Montreal for Crusades there was always something that you were involved with. 

0:22:14 - Ruth Hovsepian
And we started Canadian Christians for Jews, a ministry that continued for many years, reaching out to the Jewish people. I was involved with the Bible Society for a while and so many other activities, but then I realized that all these many activities I was a member of, both pleasing to God, I thought, as just personal outreach going on one, one on one, because people are very excited when they become board members and evangelists and pastors, but that could be a hindrance rather than reaching out. 

0:23:00 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Yeah, because sometimes it goes to your head, you start to enjoy the praise, you enjoy the accolades that come with it, and I think that that is something that we're seeing across the world, and especially here in North America. We see these situations where pastors and preachers and ministers of different sorts start to become very famous and start to lose the essence. 

0:23:34 - Ruth Hovsepian
Or want to become famous. 

0:23:35 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Yes or want to. Yeah, they start being in the ministry for the wrong reason. But I also want to touch upon in 2008, when you went to Armenia for the first time with mom. The intention was not for you to start a mission a ministry there. 

It was to accompany mom and to also look around and see where our roots were from, and, of course, we have family we had never met. But what was it that you know? Maybe it was what it was. A three years later, you decided to go back and take me with you, by the way, to start mission work, and I don't even know. Did you, in 2011, think that 13 years later, 12 years later, you would still be doing it? No, so before you, before you start, I want to know why you wanted to go in 2011. What is it that led you to go there? Besides God? You know, we know, god is the leader. 

0:24:44 - Ruth Hovsepian
Obviously. Obviously, when I said to God, you take over my life and and help me do whatever you want me to do, I didn't realize that I was losing control of my will. I didn't think about it that way, but that's exactly what it was. So when things were happening, when thoughts were coming, I said but I didn't plan it that way. I don't like. Armenia is not my country. My country is Greece. I was born there, I served in the Air Force, so I didn't want to go to Armenia. I said to my wife go with your friends. But then something happened one night. I was praying and I said you know what? I want to go with her, I want to see what's happening there, or I want to meet, maybe, my relative, something like that. 

When I went there, I went to a church, a brethren church in Armenia, and I met someone who was doing a business of driving people, tourists, in the tourist business, and I said I want to go to the villages, I don't want to stay in the city with the students. 

My wife went to Armenia because of school reunion or class reunion there, and so he took me to different villages and when I went there I went to a village called Horom. That was about two and a half three hours from the capital, very isolated place, and I went. I looked for a church. I went to a place. It was a garage from the Soviet Union, from the Soviet era. The roof was all holes and there was nothing other than just old machinery around and I said, man, these people don't even have a church. And then I went to other places and then I came back to Canada and one year I just thought about it, prayed about it, and then the following year, 2011, I said to Ruth you want to go to Armenia, I want to visit these churches and I want to help them. She said OK, so we went there. And then, when we went the first time, you didn't come to Hormone. 

0:27:22 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Then no, no, we haven't gone to Hormone that year. 

0:27:26 - Ruth Hovsepian
And then I went to the following year. I went to Hormone and I said I'm going to rebuild the church. So I came back to Canada and I encouraged the church and I encouraged donors to help us rebuild the church. And now, if you go to the church, ruth, who went with me a couple of weeks ago I run a new, beautiful, very active. So since I went there for the first time until now, people have been baptized, their new members have come in, others have left for Russia and this Russian-Ukrainian war has affected the church. 

But then I went to other churches and other people and I realized that they really needed help. Someone said translate your book. So we translated my book into Eastern Armenian and then I bought the Bible, a lot of Bibles, and we printed trucks and we made all these available and then I realized that there was a great need. Every year I go I do baptismal service. The year that I went, with Ruth, we baptized about 25 people, I remember in the city of. 

Spedak, which was devastated by the earthquake a few years before that, and the baptismal service took place in a river that was cold and muddy and dirty and you couldn't even get into it. 

0:29:07 - Joseph  Hovsepian
The water was rushing down from the mountain. 

0:29:10 - Ruth Hovsepian
That's what it was, it was cold. And why am I going to Armenia? I have no idea, other than I think God is compelling me to do it. 

0:29:23 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Well, you know, it's interesting because there are so many missionaries out there and so many ministries out there and yet there aren't enough with all the workers out there, and I really believe that not everybody can go overseas or out of Canada or leave their home to go for different reasons because they have children, they're married, they just can't. It doesn't matter, but we need to have a mission field where we live around us and take that opportunity. I mean, it sounds really glamorous in some ways for people, because I actually had someone say wow, it sounds so exciting and so glamorous to go to Armenia. Now, like most mission fields, we're not going to the beauty of the city, because we have to say Armenia is a beautiful country, like most countries. There's a beauty to it, and yet there's a lot of poverty because of the past and history of Armenia and the corruption. I know people don't like to hear that, but there is a lot of corruption in a lot of countries, but the people are hungry. 

I saw a big difference. You've been going consistently for 12 years yeah, 12 years, 13 years and I went in 2011 and I went back this year. There was a difference for me in something that I'm not sure if everybody will understand it when I say it, and that is that when I went the first time I found people to be needy in every way, physically and spiritually. This time, when I went back, there have been such an uprising of churches and the Americans and Canadian money going in that there are churches that are growing so physically I think their needs are being met more. I'm not saying completely, but I still saw that spiritually there was a gap and that was my Okay, first of all, it's not glamorous, it's very painful, it's very. 

0:31:56 - Ruth Hovsepian
You worry a lot, you work hard. 

0:31:59 - Joseph  Hovsepian
And it's exhausting. Let's put it out there it is exhausting. 

0:32:04 - Ruth Hovsepian
And it's very painful because you don't read people's minds and you sometimes are deceived to believe things that you want to believe. 

0:32:14 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Can we talk about one of those that, the one where we went, very Our hearts broken so early on, when we went to a family with the grandmother and her five grandchildren and we were taken there by people that we trust and they we trust what they say, right, because we've known them for so long. So they took us to this home and the story, the backstory that we have gotten and everybody knows, is that this grandmother, this older woman when I say older woman, by the way, she's exactly my age, actually, which is 58. And she was looking after five grandchildren and the reason for that is her son apparently went away for work and is working and has not come back and has another family and the daughter in law ran away and has never come back. So we went, we prayed with them, we talked with them, we hugged the children, we did everything and while we were there, we helped them financially and we helped them financially. 

And while we were there, a woman and her son came in with boxes of donations, boxes and money as well, and the woman was in tears. 

0:33:36 - Ruth Hovsepian
We did this in all our by the way, we did witness to her and give her my word. 

0:33:45 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Yes, and there was actually a construction, someone doing some work on the house and he was also witness to. But all of this to say, they lived in this rundown place and this is why we go to Armenia, and all of us who do missions do this right to help other people. Long story short, we find out from one of the missionaries that we work with, who is also in the know, because she had just done a show on this family, a documentary, only to find out that the story was not true. There was a whole other thing. So, yes, when we go to these places, we do not know the hearts of people, we do not know if the, if their story is true, and we only go there to witness to their soul and to bring them to the Lord. So we may have been deceived financially because we helped them financially, but maybe the seed was planted either in that woman or the grandchildren, we won't know. But we have that to deal with too, and we've had it in the past as well. 

0:35:10 - Ruth Hovsepian
A few days ago we had our men's breakfast and I was talking for a while and someone said, pastor, you look so sad, you sound so sad. And I said actually, you're absolutely right, I'm very sad. So they all said all 15 men said why, pastor, why are you so sad? Because I said, when I look around me, when I visited Armenia, or for me, when I look here in Canada, in the States, I see that the church has lost its call. Pastors care more about numbers. Pastors care in Armenia for how to get more money, how to build their buildings, how to raise whatever money funds and buy new cars, and even leaders that I met over there. 

They were thinking more about the cars and about money and all kinds of things. These are the leaders that's supposed to be reaching out, but also, at the same time, I see people who have never heard of the gospel. When a young girl, 21-year-old girl, I sat down with her and I was talking to her and she said I didn't know any of this. And when I talked to her, I explained to her what we are doing and who Jesus is, and she said oh, she didn't know what to say. She just did that. And I said I have a tractor, I have a pamphlet. There's a prayer at the back. You wanna read it, you wanna? So read it together and we read it. 

And that tract was about how we invite Jesus Christ to be our Lord. That we messed up. And she gave me her hand and I held her hand and we prayed together and after a few minutes she said to me you know what happened, brother Joseph? I said what she said. I'll never be the same. All of a sudden, my life changed. I found a meaning in my life and she is the girlfriend of the family, missionary, family's son's girlfriend and I was very upset and I went to the family. I said this girl has just accepted the Lord. You have to witness or you have to live lives that are reflecting Christ. Yes, yes, you see, the problem is not in Armenia, the problem is in Canada, in the States, in Europe. Christians have become so blazzy so, oh, it's okay, I'm a Christian. You're not a Christian unless you follow Christ. 

0:38:18 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Yeah, we are followers of Jesus Christ. We are to be his disciples to. 

0:38:24 - Ruth Hovsepian
I'm sorry, I'm very preaching again. I shouldn't be. 

0:38:29 - Joseph  Hovsepian
It's okay, it's a habit you can't break very easily. But, dad, I just want to leave us with I know you did, you just gave us a mini sermon there but give us some words that someone who is unsure of what their purpose in life is, what God wants them to do, how can they figure it out? I mean, I know how I struggled and yet now I feel such a relief knowing that I've handed over 100% to the Lord. It's scary, but what do you say, dad? 

0:39:17 - Ruth Hovsepian
Give me another minute, then I'll tell something. When I was 30 years old and I was ministering in our church and I was very active and people thought I was the best possible thing happening in the church, in my heart I knew that I was empty. I knew that I was doing all that because it was my culture, it was my family, it was my calling as the son of a Christian leader. But what was missing was that personal understanding and commitment to Christ. So I said, okay. Then opportunity came up and I went around the world. I started from Canada, vancouver, went to India, I went to China, thailand and many other countries and then to Europe, and I looked for a religion that could be the right religion in case if I had the wrong religion. So I came back to Canada. My wife said so what happened? Did you find out? I said yeah. I said I found out that all religions are corrupt, are empty. There's not one religion. That spoke to my heart. And she said so what are we doing now? I said now I'm following Christ. Now I will. 

Only, god never came up with a religion. Jesus never established the religion. And Protestant, we're Baptist. Whatever you wanna call yourself, go ahead and call yourself whatever you want, but to be a Christian you must be a follower of Christ. 

And from that day on that's 50 years ago, almost 45 years ago I made a point not to be very proud of my religion, because I don't have a religion, I'm a follower of Christ. So I believe every human being has to ask the question where do I stand vis-à-vis God? Where am I in my journey of life, who am I following? And if you don't have any answers that satisfy you, come on your knees, stand up, lie down whatever you wanna, pray and ask God to enlighten you, to remove anything that hinders your relationship with God. And I did that. And the only reason why I'm compelled to go to Armenia or support ministries in Bangladesh that we support as a church, and in the Philippines we have another ministry is because I love people and I believe every human heart desires, searches, yearns to find God. And it's my responsibility, it's your responsibility, the one. You who are listening to this are responsible before God. 

0:42:30 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Thank you, dan, and I would like to encourage everybody to take that step, to take that time to really focus in and to have that quiet time with the Lord and recommit themselves and focus in laser-sharp focus of what the Lord wants you to do and where he wants you to go. So if you want more information about my dad and the ministry that he is involved in, you can find him on Facebook, joseph Havsepian and Joseph Havsepian Ministries, as well as the website, joseph Havsepian Ministries. The book is not available online, but if you are interested in it, god's Workshop contact me. 

0:43:20 - Ruth Hovsepian
It's available on print on demand. 

0:43:24 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Yeah, but through us, yeah. 

0:43:27 - Ruth Hovsepian
So even chapter or if you search for this title, God's Workshop will. 

0:43:35 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Yeah, look online for God's Workshop and you will find it. If you cannot find it, you can contact us and we will get a copy to you. And thank you, Dan by the way. 

0:43:49 - Ruth Hovsepian
One more thing. Yes, just in case you speak Greek, armenian and English, you can go to my Facebook page. Joseph Havsepian and I have messages every day in three languages. 

0:44:04 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Yeah, so you can find him on Facebook. All right, dad, thank you so much. 

0:44:08 - Ruth Hovsepian
We'll talk to you later, god bless. 

0:44:10 - Joseph  Hovsepian
Alrighty, bye-bye, bye-bye. Thank you for joining me to Stay Connected, follow me on Instagram and Facebook. If you like this podcast, can you help me find new listeners by leaving a rating and review? This small step takes only a moment, but really helps grow the listening audience. So let me thank you in advance. I hope you have a wonderful day and until next time let's continue on our journey as followers of Jesus Christ. I am Ruth Havsepian.