Overcoming Obstacles and Empowering Women: A Conversation with Brenda Poarch of You Are Loved Ministry

In this episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with Brenda Poarch, the president, and spokesperson for the nonprofit You Are Loved Ministry for women. We explored Brenda's journey, discussing her experiences with dyslexia and breast cancer and overcoming obstacles to find her calling in spreading the word of God. 

We also addressed sin, maintaining purity within the church community, and women’s power over men. Additionally, we examined the issue of sexual abuse and its impact on those affected, particularly young girls, and the need to recognize the signs of abuse, provide resources and support, and address survivors' spiritual value and purity. Join us in this powerful and eye-opening conversation emphasizing the need for compassion, understanding, and connection within the church community.


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Chapters

• 0:00 Confronting Sexual Messages in Our World
• 11:43 The Power of Women Over Men
• 21:47 Compassion for Abuse Suffers
• 37:19 Connecting with Jesus

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0:00:00
I wrote this book called Private Matters, and it has a lot of information about sex in all different categories. But when you tell people that you've written a book about sex for church, they're like, you know, you don't you don't talk about stuff like that. Good little boys or girls don't talk about Something like that. Not in charge. Well, guess what? Everywhere we go in the world, we are bombarded with sexual messages. Mhmm. It started long before you and I were born with the pinup girls from World War two and you moved forward till today, where you cannot have a TV show that doesn't have some form of -- Yep. -- sexual impurity in it, and often it is elevated and and -- Yeah. -- presented as normal. And so we have a big goal but I serve a mighty god. And so everything that I am doing is for that end and for that.

0:00:58
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0:01:49
This is rooftop. Brenda Poarch is the president and spoke person for the nonprofit, you are loved ministry for women. Brenda has spoken nationwide at ladies day events and retreats. She has been published several times in the Christian Woman magazine and has written several books. In twenty twenty one, she began posting YouTube videos every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to the You Are Love The Ministry YouTube channel. Welcome, Brenda. I am thrilled to have you join me today on out of the darkness. I am a fan of yours. I have been watching your videos on Instagram for a while, and I love the word of God that you are spreading and how you are spreading it. So I really wanted to have you here and share you with my friends on the podcast. Welcome Brenda. Thank you. I am honored to be here. This whole new technology stuff is new to me. And so I am making all those beginning mistakes, but God just takes care of all those problems. He just does. He sends You're certainly the right time, and he sent you, and I'm very grateful for that. I am grateful to have you here and mistakes are welcome here. This is what what keeps it down to Earth. And keeps us humble as well. So would you please tell us a little bit about you and your background and how you've started this amazing journey on social media and your ministry that you have. I I think amazing is the perfect word for this.

0:03:44
I didn't take school seriously. I was just like sick. And that was back when they just said, you were dumb or you weren't trying. And I still am dyslexic. And so I had no interest in going to college. I kind of loved my way through high school and I wanted to do what my mother-in-law did, which was be a stay at home mom. But I realized that I don't like to cook or garden or read or do puzzles or saddle or any of that stuff. So I went to school as an assistant with my kids throughout throughout their years. And in ninety nine, I got breast cancer. And I was so loved and taken care of by the teachers at the school where I worked, and I had just started there. That I was moved to start writing thank you notes in the way of stories. And one of the English teachers there said, you need to be published. I'm like, oh, no. You don't understand. Nobody's gonna wanna hear what I have to say. And she wouldn't take no. And so I was published in Christian Woman magazine several times. And I thought that was the end of it. And then I moved to Florida with my husband, a doctor where we originally came from, and I got sick again and was home bound and bed bound for several years with an undiagnosed stomach illness. It was horrific. And a friend of mine from church, actually the preacher's wife said, I have a sister who is also home bound, would you ride her? Her name is Peggy and she lives in Washington. And so Peggy and I started writing one another and I got on my soap boxes I often do about the word of God and she said, you need to write ladies bible school material. No, please. Nobody's gonna wanna read anything that I have written. And she went she went take no. God keeps putting these people into life and won't take the no answer no. And so I started doing that and was self published, and now I published a couple of books myself.

0:05:36
My ministry is brought from a very personal experience. At church, I met this lady, and I'm gonna call her angel and Angel and I became friends because she sang and she played the guitar and I loved the sing and our voices blended well together and we were gonna be famous. We were gonna travel and we were sugar and spice because she was nice seeing. I was sweet and we were gonna take all in the world and, well, you know, that didn't happen. We had all had kids and life, and I moved, and then she moved, but we kept up with each other.

0:06:10
And then she started having a problem around the age of forty years old. She began to miss time and closed showed up in her calls that she didn't buy makeup, she didn't purchase. People would call her by a different name on the street. And she knew she was in trouble. She couldn't remember most of her childhood, but she knew she needed help. And so her little congregation partnered with a congregation where a a a certified counselor and also elder in the Lord's Church was attending and they paid half each and these ladies from her law congregation took her and they took care of her and she discovered that she had multiple personalities. And that's not only does she have multiple personalities, but but she had over two hundred. She was manufactured higher than so if you're familiar with that story. She was actually born into a family who was in the cult, and she was born on her grandmother's birthday to be the Shamanom or the leader of that cult. And her pain tests began then. And over years of heart wrenching therapy, did she become whole?

0:07:27
And she was told by our counselor that many women will not take money out of their grocery budget to go for counseling. And society is not as generous and kind about counseling as it needs to be. And so her goal, her desire, was that every survivor, adult survivor of childhood abuse, who wanted to have help, could get it. And so that is the ministry. That is the goal. And we are called Eralove Ministry, Incorporated, and we are nonprofit. But our ultimate goal is to be the stimulus that creates not ourselves because we're not qualified. But a coast to coast network of counselors that will see adult survivors of childhood abuse on a freer sliding scale and make it happen. And not only that, but help remove that stigma of getting help. And so that's where we started from.

0:08:28
And I really wanted to write about her abuse. Her doctor said that, you only become a multiple when you have a prolonged sexual torture as a child. And so most babies can't afford it, and we wanna help them do that. And so I wanted to write a book about sex. And so I wrote this book called Private Matters, and it has a lot of information about sex in all different categories But when you tell people that you've written a book about sex for church, they're like, you know, you don't you don't talk about stuff like that. Good little boys or girls don't want to talk about Something like that. Not in charge. Well, guess what? Everywhere we go in the world, we are bombarded with sexual messages. It started long before you and I were born with the pin up girls from World War two and you moved forward till today, where you cannot have a TV show that doesn't have some form of -- Yep. -- sexual impurity in it, and often it is elevated and and -- Yeah. -- presented as normal. And so we have a big goal but I serve am I to God. And so everything that I am doing is for that end and for that cause.

0:09:49
I think this is wonderful and the fact that you are making therapy attainable to people is amazing because no matter who I speak to, therapy has been the forefront of their recovery. And I think that Part of the stigma has been in the church that because we are believers, we need to lay it at his feet. And everything will be taken care of. And I wholeheartedly believe in that. I believe what the scriptures say. About healing, about renewment, and being born again. As humans, we also need that human part of speaking to someone and letting it out. And many people don't have that kind of a support system or don't feel comfortable, right, to to speak with them. So That is amazing what you are doing and the book. Well, I I tell you, I I know that feeling of people being shocked at you with with the subject of sex because my testimony talks about my recovery and being sober for eight years from alcohol and sex and porn addiction. So I understand wholeheartedly the importance of these conversations in the church. With our young people and with anyone. And there's a way to do it. I have come up with a way to do it. We can have these discussions Correct.

0:11:43
This book covers everything from how to find a mate to what scripture talks about. One, I did this in my sunday school class at church with my ladies and one of their biggest excitement was the chapter on, how do you talk to your kids about remaining pure? Mhmm. And because it's done from such a positive way? Yes. And, you know, when it comes to sexual sins, God is separated from us by all sin. Yes. And so we are the ones that have sorta said, alright. Well, you know, gossiping. I'm not really gossiping. I'm just sharing some information. And I didn't really steal anything. I just forgot and took home a whole bunch of stuff to work or, you know, we can justify all day long.

0:12:30
But then there's another category of, like, ugh, you did. Yeah. Oh, that's terrible. Well, guess what? Sin is sin. And the only way we are going to be able to heal is when we learn to love and support one another.

0:12:45
You know, when you look at Jesus, he didn't push people away because they had certain types of sin. In fact, he was drawn to those that were sinning and that were suffering. Because that just means that the devil has gotten a hold of them. And if we can't be a safe place, the church needs to be a safe place. It is not a social club. It is a hospital for centers. It is for the sick. Ever get that in our minds and in our hearts.

0:13:16
When somebody comes forward with a sin, we can help them. And it's not you're not gonna be shunned if you say, well, I have a sin in this category, but I don't have a sin in that category. It's like there's preapproved sentence and then there's none. And that's not what I read in scripture. God loves everybody. Yeah. I agree with you on that one hundred percent, Brenda, because I struggle with that as well in within the church community where, you know, I hear people picking and choosing what sin is or what they're going to talk about as sin and ignore everything else. And to me, sin is sin. And there's no, you know, nothing like that. God's in a sin. Exactly. Girl. That is not a percent. It's not a bad word. Yes. And, you know, we when I was young, we would joke about it. I'm I'm from the Baptist denomination, and we would say, that's a Baptist White lie. You know, but but that's the truth. Right? Because In the name of prayer, we call up our friends and say, did you hear what happened to so and so? Can you pray for them? Because I saw That is horrible.

0:14:40
And then we go out in public, you know, I heard of of Preacher's wife not too long ago say, you know, with modesty because that's covered in the book as well. Yes. That and I thought this was beautiful. That for a woman, for a man, he is visually stimulated sexually. And so when we are wearing items that are exposing our breath and our cleavage, or they're they're they're too tight, or they're Mhmm. I just tell my kids if it belongs in your bathing suit, nobody else should be seen. And so and and I mean, a real bathing suit. I don't even have a long thing. Because I'm not talking about a piece of stringing. I'm talking about a real bathing suit. And so they they I forgot why I was gonna say, hold on. I'll get it back in a minute. Oh, you're so out. Definitely go out.

0:15:33
And we're not dressed appropriately. And a man whistles at us or staring at us. She even heard the okay. My eyes are up here. Okay. That kind of thing. Those men are being tempted by what they see. Yes. And yet women are tempted by touch and words. Yes. And so if a man came up to you, and began to speak to you words that would arise you sexually or touch you in ways that would arise you sexually. You would call the cops. Yeah. And so it is not fair to men when we go out.

0:16:10
In fact, I I taught a class for Christian girls on on staying pure. And I used to say, if it's not for sale, don't advertise it. If you don't rent it, you don't wanna loan it out, don't dress it tight, don't wiggle it when you walk, and don't accent it when you talk. But what do you say to people? Because you hear this now all the time, even in the church, that this isn't the woman's problem. It is the man's problem. If he cannot look at a woman, he shouldn't you know, that's his problem. Why should a woman dress because of man's frailty. What do you say to that? I believe exactly what I just you know, that story that I just told you is that that's the way God made men. Yeah.

0:16:58
You know, I heard someone say one time that men are microwaves and and women out thoughts when it came to sin. And he can be turned on in a New York state. Yeah. And we know if we want to arouse our husband, we come out in a -- Yes. -- in a negotiating, he's gonna be there. Now if he comes out in a skimpy bathing suit, I'm gonna be like, what are you doing? You know, if he wants to get me excited, it's going to be the right words and the right atmosphere and maybe even taking out the garbage and washing the dishes.

0:17:30
But for men, they're not wired that way. We are told to dress modestly. And you know, scripture talks about not wearing gold and all of that comparing it to what prostitutes did. I wear jewelry, but the the bottom line is in that day and time, the women who dressed that way were the women who were advertising their bodies for sale or for rent. And we are within our our culture, we need to dress in a way that it is It is plain that we are not advertising our bodies. The only person we need to arouse with our physical bodies is our husbands. Everybody else is hitting. It's none. Yeah. None of the business. Yeah. I I agree with you a hundred percent on that. You know, coming from where, you know, my journey, I know exactly what you are talking about. It is women have that power. Oh, yeah. And and we would be very ignorant to say that we are not the ones that are playing up our sexuality for men. And we're lying to ourselves.

0:18:43
And you know, I I'm not as concerned about the the world as I am about the young women and the women in our churches. That's my one, sir. When my girls were younger, it was hard to find modest apparel. Yes. And I think it's even worse today because society is not going to support that. You know, we have to we have to make that extra effort to make that happen. For sure. I I yeah. I think the family has to set an example. The mothers have to set an example. The church women, the older women, mature women, need to set that example. And, you know, I'm I'm gonna age myself here, but I remember a time going to church when the women wore their fancy Sunday dresses. And they wore their hats. And they got Yeah. They wear their hats, but I did the dresses. Yeah. And I was not and when I was young, We did not wear pants to church.

0:19:49
Oh, no. We did not wear sleeveless dresses. They had to be modest length. We could not go bare leg. We had to wear some type of hosiery. Yeah. We could not go to church with that with sandals. Oh, no. I didn't I didn't thankfully, I didn't do that. We could wear sandals. None of that other stuff.

0:20:12
But, you know, in the book, I I talked about the the power that women have over men. And we look at the story of Samson and Delilah. And Joseph fleeing from God of her's wife. And we and, you know, when I think about Samson and Delilah and even Jezebel, the are she head over her open. But when I think about Samson and Galila, I'm like, come on, dude. I mean, three times. She's begging you to tell you the secret of your strength. And and that first time that you lied to her, and then they came in trying to kill you, Hello, get a clue. But but he didn't. He didn't. He was that caught up in her.

0:20:57
And I firmly believe that when we stand before the throne of God on judgment day -- Yeah. -- we are not only accountable for the talents that God gave us, but the power that God gave me. Exactly. And we have the opportunity to use that power for good or for evil. And it doesn't matter what excuses we make. It fat is fat. So if you were dressing in a way that is a modest, You and you are causing men to sin. You are also responsible for that sin. Yeah. I I agree we should not be the cause of our brother her sister stumbling and falling by Before we get stressed. More down the line, though, because I know we're limited on time. I like to to talk for a minute about, oh, you can make six months out of of what officer turned me loose.

0:21:47
But I'd like to talk for a minute about sexual abuse. Yes, please. I really believe that that is a real problem. I know that it is a real problem. I worked in the schools. As an assistant for many, many years. And there were times we were required by law to report things. And At the time, I didn't really know what to look for.

0:22:11
But in this book, not only do we discuss sexual abuse, but I give you things to look for, and resources to contact, and things that you can actually do to help. And I also address these girls, especially because mine mine is a women's ministry. The girls about what their value is after they've been sexually abused. And I'm gonna say something here that may be considered controversial, and you can edit it out if you want to. That's okay.

0:22:43
But I truly believe that if you were sexually abused as a as a, you know, a young girl, you're still a origin. Because there is a big difference between giving yourself to a man and enjoying that pleasure and all of that than having someone forced upon you. In fact, I've heard stories of girls that were raped and they literally take their minds somewhere else. Yeah. And so if you were abused, you or a spiritual version because you don't know what it's like to want to give that to someone, to to develop that kind of trust. And you are still pure spiritually. And so don't don't think that, okay, I'm tainted I am soiled and I am of no value. With Jesus Christ, you have just as much value as every other woman on the planet regardless of what they've been through. And my brother has a special needs child. And I truly believe that he is more dedicated to his child than any other father I've ever met. And I see that across the board with special needs children.

0:23:51
I believe that when you have had a difficult childhood and that is that is putting it mildly. But if you grew up in a home where you were abused in any way, sexually, physically, mentally, probably all three. God actually loves you more and is more protective of you. Than the rest of us that grew up in just slightly dysfunctional homes. Nobody gets away with perfect homes. My niece told her kids that I'll pay for four years of college and three years of counseling. And after that, you're all in your own. Because none of us -- Oh, perfect. -- apparently. Yes. The only perfect person is was Jesus at walk in the door, and the only perfect father is God. And so I really wanna get that message out to those who have had that experience and because you're you are still precious in the side of the Lord. And it doesn't matter if you you, you know, you said yourself you came from had to come up from the from the depths of of, you know, sexual, promiscuity. Yeah. I believe that God loves you more because we all We all sin, but we have not all been hurt by people that were supposed to love us and supposed to take care of us.

0:25:16
I have a funny story that I tell at the end of the book about my friend, Angel, and that was the name of her core personality. That's not what her parents named her. But to protect her and protect her family, she's also gone to be with the Lord, and this is her dream. But it was interesting to me to see the people and the animals that she would morph into. Whether it was a young child that wouldn't look up to talk to you or it was a dog or a wolf or a man or babies. These people that lived inside of her. And by the way, multiple personalities is not a form of insanity. It is coping mechanism that God gave us, and you have to be incredibly intelligent to be a multiple. And so, these people, they did their jobs. They they took care of what needed to be taken care of at the time. But we all need help. And wouldn't it be wonderful if we can get churches to stand together in unity and support those who want to come forward with sexual offense.

0:26:30
And before I get off my soapbox, I'll just tell you my my stance on homosexuality and some of these others. I believe that every one of us is born with while I call a sin, a killer seal, a weak spot in our armor. You know, I went through high school and I got married as a virgin and I never smoked and I never drank and I never took drugs, oh, whoopee to me? You know, why I didn't do those things? They didn't appeal to me. I they weren't interested. Now other things that were sent did appeal to me. I was really good at gossiping and secrets and some of these other things that, you know, this little mouth that me in trouble with. Mhmm. But if you are, you know, if you believe that you are drawn to somewhat of the same sex. That just means that that's your weak spot. That's the area where Satan can get to you. And we all have a different weak spot. And until we look at it that way across the board, we are not gonna have the attitudes of love, and service to one another.

0:27:35
Galatians six two is the verse that I stand on to carry one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ. We can't do that until we get to the point where we say some sins are harder to overcome than others and I believe social sins fall into that because addiction is also involved in that. The people that suffer from those sins need our help more than anyone else. And I do not want to stand before the throne of God on judgment day. And him say to me, I sent you somebody that needed help and you judge them. Yeah. And, actually, that's what judging is.

0:28:12
And these are subjects that are so difficult to talk about. We as a church, as a body of church, not the building, the body as a church, are not prepared. Yeah. We are not prepared to speak about these.

0:28:29
And it took me Brenda a long time to come forward with my testimony. I'm sorry. Speak about my strength, and I'm a pastor's daughter. To add to all this mix. As a pastor's daughter, as the granddaughter of church planters, of prayer warriors, Here I was for fifteen years, just in darkness and in addiction. How does someone like me? Come forward and say, I need help. I I I I did not think I had anyone there. And growing up in the environment that I did therapy, I never even thought about it or counseling, never thought about it, Brenda. I fell on my knees. And only by the grace of god that through prayer and many steps forward and many steps back, I was able to come out of this, and, you know, eight years later, I I everyday thank God for my sobriety. But to me now, my mission is to reach out to others like me. And I said, and on my prayer is Lord, use my mistakes, my shortcomings, my addictions. To help others, to be half compassion, to others, and to help others in their walk and I don't know what that looks like. Maybe it's this bringing the subject out into the open and and talking about it, but it's only been a few years now that I openly admit I admire you so much for that. So I really do I really admire you for that because that is not an easy thing to do.

0:30:27
And I can speak to those of us who our our sins fall in the approved category. Listen, I've heard people say, okay, you can't talk about case, you can't judge me. Well, I'm going to say that the definition of judging is not what you think it is. Exactly. When we compare what others are doing to the word of God. That is not judging. Yeah. We are told that we are to be fruit inspectors. We can we can see what someone is by the fruit that they bear. When we judge is when we take our lives and we compare it to someone else And as always, we're better than they are. I mean, that's that's across the board. Yeah. So, yeah, I did some things. I didn't do anything like what they did. My sisters, that is judging.

0:31:17
And scripture tells us that with whatever measure you use, to judge someone else, that's the measure that's going to be used against you. So if you know someone who is struggling with a sin, a especially one of those sins that we don't wanna talk about at church. And they come to you for help you better help them because if you do not if you don't have a humble attitude about it, you are going to be responsible for it. And it's not gonna fare well for any of us on judgment day. Wow. You know, we we gotta get off our high horses and be humble to help one another. And I'm just I'm sowing all of you. Oh, gosh. That was It was only by God's grace do I stand here today?

0:32:04
You know? And I think of of all my wasted years of not not serving the lord. And and I I I am trying to make up for those years Yeah. I gotta stop you right there. Those years were not wasted because it's been my experience that people are going to listen to you long before they listen to me because I don't have personal experience I have personal experience with walking with someone through the horrors of sexual abuse. I have one of those people can't even watch anything scary on TV when anybody's getting hurt Can you watch the movie civil? Why God chose me to to walk with her through this horrible, horrible journey? I don't know. But I got to see the beauty of the ending. But people will listen to you because you've got the bend there done that t shirt. So keep on preaching my sister. Keep on preaching.

0:33:05
As I said by the grace of God, I take every step and this is what I want to do. I want to reach out to those that are hurting and and are trying to fill a void, not knowing how to fill that void. You know, I I compare it to many years of of not looking in the mirror. I didn't have mirrors in the in the house. My kids needed them, but I I never looked because the person that I saw looking back at me was a stranger. Was a hollowed out person, a ghost of someone I knew. And even sometimes, I would, you know, like, impassing on the street glimpse take a have a glimpse of myself and wonder who that was. And I I'm not being facetious about it. I'm not you know, I'm just No. This is what I this is what I saw. You know, when I looked in the I looked at of myself, Brenda. I just happened to come across some pictures from, you know, those years, and I looked at that woman. And I said, who who was that? Who is that? There is a look about me in those pictures. That is a hollowed out woman. And and I don't I But again, you know, God is an amazing God In spite of what I did, I'm here and and he protected my children all those years.

0:34:43
And I am grateful every day I am grateful for where I am and for this amazing gift that I've been given But you are right. I I I I wanna share the story and help others out. Well, if you had not lived, the life you've lived, you wouldn't have the testimony that you have today. You wouldn't have the desire to reach back and help others that are in that same place. And so God, you know, there's a scripture that says God well, I think it's Romans eight twenty eight. All things work together for them. That love the lord according to his purpose. And so, God is taking what you have been through. And making something beautiful out. Yeah. You know, I like to say that God has the best recipe, lemonades, there ever was.

0:35:37
And that's what Satan does. Satan makes it look all glittery and shiny -- Yep. -- and appealing and wonderful But when you get into it, it's like a fly, trapped on a fly paper. You're stuck and you can't get off. And the only chance you have is for someone who is Standing on solid ground is to reach down and help you. And that's what you're doing. And that's what you're trying to do too. Exactly. You know, I I think of of sort of being in a dark room. Everything looks good. You know, the lights are dim. Everything looks glittery and bright and, you know, so enticing and the lights go on and oh my goodness. Everything is tarnished and old and dirty. And that's what it is. That's what sin is like. You know, we as your example was great about that.

0:36:31
Before we end this, what is one piece of advice that you can give us today? No matter what your story is, you can use it to give God glory. If it was a negative story, tell about how he brought you through the hard times. Mhmm. If it's a positive story, tell about how you can use your life to help those going through hard times. It doesn't matter. Your story is important. You are important. God didn't make mistakes. And if he made you, which by the way, guess what? He did. There's a purpose for you on this earth. And if you haven't figured out your purpose yet, keep looking because God will show it to you if you ask him.

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Thank you so much, Brenda. Thank you for that advice and thank you for joining me today and sharing your story and your wisdom and your knowledge with my out of the darkness listeners. And to my friends, please check out the show notes on connecting with a Brenda Poarch, and please subscribe and share to grow our community. Thank you so much, Brenda. Thank you for having me, and I will be in prayer about what you're trying to do as well. Thank you. Thank you for joining me to stay connected Follow me on Instagram and Facebook. If you like this podcast, can you help me find new listeners by leaving a rating and review? This small step takes only a moment, but really helps grow the listening audience. So let me thank you in advance. I hope you have a wonderful day and until next time. Let's continue on our journey as followers of Jesus Christ. I am Ruth Hovsepian.

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