Out of the Darkness with Ruth Hovsepian

Discovering God's Love Through Healing and the Power of His Love with LAURIE HERBERS

March 27, 2023 Ruth Hovsepian/Laurie Herbers Season 1 Episode 12
Out of the Darkness with Ruth Hovsepian
Discovering God's Love Through Healing and the Power of His Love with LAURIE HERBERS
Show Notes Transcript

In this episode, I discuss navigating life's trials with Laurie Herbers, a relationship and spiritual love coach and author. She shares her journey of growing up in an abusive and traumatic environment, which led her to search for love and purpose. Through that journey, she developed a strong relationship with Jesus and a deeper understanding of God as a father, warrior, redeemer, catalyst for change, and miracle worker. We cover how her journey of self-discovery has taught her the importance of modeling self-love and self-worth to children and the world. 



Laurie Herbers is an Empowerment & Spiritual Love Coach and Author. Her books are Second Chances: How I Turned Hate into Love and Found My Purpose and Becoming Abundance: Embracing and Enhancing Your Unique Design. She is the creator of Turn Loving Yourself into a Habit, Keys to Unlocking Your Empowerment, and Becoming Abundance. 



She struggled with abuse and trauma in her youth, carrying the pain into adulthood. Hating life was her home and daily struggle until she decided to change her thoughts and beliefs and pursue love with a fervor that superseded everything else. She guides individuals struggling in life or business to gain clarity, become empowered, love all of their pieces, find their purpose, heal their soul wounds, own their power, use the power of their mind to manifest all the good things.



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0:00:01
Today, we are talking with Lori Herbers, who is a relationship and spiritual love coach author and founder of Soul Love Legacy. Everything she does is done in love and she believes in honoring all life. She is passionate about leading others to truth their purpose and falling into love with life, every aspect of it. Her goal is to change the world through a movement of love from the soul. Hi. I'm Ruth Hovsepian

0:00:35
Welcome to the Out of the Darkness Pod class, where we help you navigate life's trials based on faith and biblical truths. So start off with telling us a little bit about your journey. You can start at any point of your journey and how you have arrived to where you are today. Oh my goodness. There's been a lot on my journey because I grew up in an abusive of trauma. And so I cared a lot of anger and hate and distrust of just pretty much everyone and everything. But as I got older and became a mother and you know, my dad passed away and I went through a divorce. So, like, all these things, it just got to a point where I had to decide what I wanted. Did I wanna keep living as a victim caught up in the abuse that I just kept carrying it forward because I was so used to it or decide I wanted something different, and I decided I wanted something different, I wanted love. I went in search of it, and what God showed me was so much bigger than I can fathom or even explain. Like, the enormity of it is so big. I'm so overwhelming and and and everything. So at what at what point did you realize that, you know, was it at a really young I know you said as a child you realized, but how old were you around when you realized that there was more to life and you couldn't continue the way you were going and had to find something out there. Did you did you know about, you know, God and how God could help you? Or was that part of your search?

0:02:33
What's funny is I don't ever remember time not knowing God. I spend a lot of time -- Mhmm. -- kinda hold up in my room. Writing poetry and and, no, I just, like, had this piphany just right now. The portrait was actually him beginning to speak through me because that is part of my purpose to be as his vessel through whom he speaks. And so it was that quiet time with him that I he was already honing me to, I guess, rely on having him there. Because I don't remember him ever not being there.

0:03:06
Do I remember having anger and being mad at him? Oh, yeah. Had a lot of that. But, I mean, that that was into adulthood. I mean, I already had a daughter before I realized that I don't have to stay in that abuse cycle because my father wasn't even here anymore. And yet, I was in essence, just carrying that forward that I stuck in this perpetual hate and anger and not good enough and unworthy, and it wasn't until I was like, alright. This I don't want this anymore. I want more. And that's my cry out to god in essence is like help me. Help me. I don't wanna be this anymore. Yeah.

0:03:49
That that anger and that that not being able to move forward is is just amazing on how it prevents us from building relationships whether it's with our children or significant other or with friends. How did your childhood and growing up and, you know, the traumas that you experienced? Affect you as a mom, you know, as you had children. How did that come into play for you? Well, that's the that's the disappointing piece is I wasn't in the right place when I became a mother. And so a lot of that finger, you know, kinda was passed to her. Like, even whether we mean to or not.

0:04:36
And and I remember when I sprayed it with her, I was, like, so afraid of being, like, my father. Like, it I was to the point where I thought about giving her away. Because I'm like, what kind of mother am I gonna be? Because I have so much anger. And so I was not a great mother at first. Who really wasn't. I can look back and say, ugh, but that was also a piece of where I had to learn to forgive myself that I didn't know better when I first became her mother. And it wasn't until I started changing myself that I was able to change even like that connection because we have a spiritual connection to our children, especially as mothers. I mean, they come through us in essence. And it's it's wild because I think about all how I always was positive. Like, tell her I love her and you can do anything you want and I did that. But even though I did that, that negativity, it wasn't until she got older that she finally started opening up to me. And the things that Satan basically goes whispering to her was the exact same junk he was saying to me. And I'm just like, wait a minute. How did you get that? And that's when I was like, whoa.

0:05:44
Do you think that sometimes it's the way we treat ourselves that our children see and then put that onto themselves. Oh, yeah. We are definitely models. It's my background's in education too, so I had classrooms of students. They don't care what you're telling them. They're watching what you do. They will do what you do. Not what you say. So, yeah, they would definitely you are the model. You are the model to the world about everything. How how others treat you. How you treat yourself is reflected in how other people treat you. Because everything starts inside of you. And it's reflected outward. So if you feel unworthy or even unlovable, those same qualities that I had, everyone that I met brought me bad because that's what I expected that I was. And so therefore, I modeled it to the world that treat me bad. Treat me on like, I'm not worthy. Treat me like, I don't deserve to be loved because deep down, I didn't think that I did. So, yeah, it's definitely reflected from our inside outward. And how did you you know, when you did that you know, we all have that moment when we're searching and, you know, we come face to face with with the holy spirit and and and the Lord. In our lives at some point. Right? And we make that decision.

0:07:15
How did that journey look in your life. You know, like, what was was it very simple? You know, like some people will say, you know, I found the Lord. I I, you know, flipped over. I did this. I did that and things went well.

0:07:32
How was it for you? Was it easy, you know, because of the lack of maybe trust and love in your childhood. Was it how easy was it for you to trust in the lord and to accept the love that he had for you? Oh, it was hard. Because in essence, you know, I've got as our father and so I had a father figure that never once told me that he loved me. So it was really hard for me to go to God and be like, you should let me hear my father. No. It was more anger. I'm like, why did you do that to me? Why did you give me that? Why did you treat it this way? Like, it was so much anger. I blamed him for so much stuff.

0:08:07
It wasn't until I realized, you know what? There's also Jesus. And Jesus became my best friend. So it was through that relationship. With Jesus that got me to understand God because, of course, if you understand Jesus, you're gonna understand God because they're connected. So, yeah, so I would think anyone that has struggled with a parent may have an issue thinking of that as a parent. And there's and I've learned too that the way that we look at God again is reflected back to us what it is we need at the time because when I needed, like, a friend, like, I went through Jesus.

0:08:43
But as I started to understand that God is my father, but God, he's also a redeemer, and he's also a catalyst to change, and he's also a miracle worker, and he and it depending on what we wanna look at. So once I started to accept him as my father, Like, I could just imagine, like, I got my picture. I'm really bad at visuals. Picture him up on a stone and I would just kinda come before him and he would hold me on his lap. Like, his little like his daughter, you know, he's a little girl. But then it came to a point where I finally got started to understand the love that he had for me that finally I was realized, you know what?

0:09:13
When I'm looking at you as my father, you can't be my my my warrior. You can't be you know, you can't I want you to be god. Like, I want I'm gonna step off your lap now. I wanna see the magic that you bring. I wanna see the miracles you bring. So it depends on your focus because your focus becomes your focus. And, yes, at the time, I needed him to be my father. But once I was like, okay, I got this now. I see you'd be god. Like, I wanna see the amazing things happen. So -- Mhmm. -- again, it is our own perception, our focus that we need to be paying attention to when we're looking at God.

0:09:49
Yeah. I I can't imagine, you know, I was very blessed to have a father and a mother that truly loved us. You know, and did everything. So I cannot imagine and and, you know, listening to you talk about that, you know, we we count to the lord as our heavenly father as he said. And, you know, we were so easy to under it's so easy for us to understand that, but someone that did not experience that unconditional love of a parent to then turn around and accept it from, you know, even the concept of God. Right? Who is God? Where is God? And now all of a sudden, not only are we accepting a God that is unseen to us, Right? We were also accepting him as a heavenly father who loves us so much that you know, he sent his only son to die for our sins and that love is there's not nothing we can compare to that. Right? Especially in in earthly comparisons. So I yeah. It must have been such a journey for you, you know, like that that to get to that point, you know, did you have, you know, either church friends or people mentors to help you through that time to, you know, to strengthen that that understanding of who our heavenly father is. Yes, but yet no.

0:11:27
Like, I very distinctly remember, like, I was part of a women's bible group, and we would do read books and talk about it and everything. And I remember really opening up to them at one point saying that it was really hard for me to ask people for help because I always felt like, in essence, like, I'm reaching out my hand and they would just slap it. They'd be like, no. You know? And I remember saying that and they're like, oh, we'll we're here for you. We're gonna you know, we're here. Don't you know, whatever. And I remember my daughter and I got this huge part. If I and she was, like, super mean to me, like, so mean. And I texted the group book because can anyone just meet with me today? Just anyone at, you know, whatever. I'm just my daughter's me and I'm just I need someone. And they're all like, nope. It's like crickets, busy, can't. And so then it just like I felt like my hand was being slapped again. I'm like, I I reached out and you're not there kind of thing. So And then as no.

0:12:16
That was also part of me, like, you know, feeling a worthy of friendship. And again, because I believed that, guess what happened. That's the same thing that happened. Were they purposely trying to make me feel bad? No. They were busy. But at the time, it was like, see, here we go again.

0:12:30
But that was part of my journey of, you know, god saying, like, why are you going to them first? Why are you reaching out to them? That's a good point. Yeah. That took me a while before he's like, why are you doing that? When I'm right here. Yeah. I'll never That's a really good point. Yeah. I will never are not listening. He's always listening. Even when we're on the screaming and crying and angry, he's there listening. He's holding us on his lap the whole time. Yeah.

0:13:01
And, you know, I I'm sure that, you know, even an an experience such as this one of that aha moment of realizing that we can turn to our, say, you know, to our heavenly father to help us during those difficult times are really amazing realizations, right, that we have how, you know, how did you get to the point where you said, you know, I've I've come through this you know, I've gone through all of these dark seasons in my life. And now I'm at a place where I wanna help others. How did your you know, your ministry to others. And, you know, you've written books, you've been speaking, you have all of these amazing things that you are doing. How did you get to that point and realize I can help someone out there who maybe just like me?

0:14:02
What's interesting is, again, God was using me the whole time I was growing up. What I have found is your purpose is with you all the time. And I and I've and I've had people come to me. I'm like, how do you know? What do you how do you know what's your purpose? And I'm like, look back. Love always leaves a trail. Look back. Whatever you're just naturally in been inclined to do for other people, you know, just whatever it is.

0:14:22
Because if I look back, even though I was going through a real hard time and I didn't have love for myself, guy was still using me. People always keep I was always that person. Everyone came to to to get inspiration or to feel loved, to feel accepted. I was able to allow God to do that through me even though sometimes it it touched me a little while I'm like, oh, that's really good. But there was still a piece of me that they're like, yeah, I get that he loves you. And I get how he's gonna take care of of you. But somehow, I was not part of that equation. It wasn't told I was like, Why are you so special that you think that I'm not gonna pay any attention to just you? And I was like, I don't know. Good question.

0:15:05
But it really wasn't until I had gone through so much healing and different certifications that I had been through, where that really caused me to look deeper and and actually writing my story into a book because I really wanted people to understand that, you know, just because you went through something doesn't define you. You know, your your life if you look at your life story as a book, you can turn that chapter. Just turn the page. You don't have to keep re coming back to that same page. Page seven. I'm abused. I can go to page eight and be like, oh, that was page seven. I don't have to live like that anymore.

0:15:39
So it wasn't really until I just was full on who I wanted love because I knew it existed. And that's what I wanted more than anything. And so I was going through I think it was my second coaching program that I went through when everybody else all about on a manifest Monday. And I'm like, I want love. And I went searching it, and so I I spent time filling myself out the club. It was what I call a love bubble. I would spend time taking, you know, every time I breathe in, I imagine that I'm just breathing in dad's love. All the way to my toes, I just start my toes, and every breath in, more love, you know, works its way up. And as I breathe out, I bring out anything that is not serving me that I don't need until, like, I can picture, like, this big bubble of love around me. So I started doing that.

0:16:26
And as I found myself in god's love energy, when you I can't it's like so hard to explain. When you're in that, all the other stuff falls away. The anger, the oppression, the sin is all these things that we think so important just fall away. And you're just in this place of glory and awe and, like, everything in love is is forgiveness and grace and acceptance, and it just started to change me spending time in that in that space with him and understand that his love is and everything everything that he created is his love. And so when we feel like we don't have love, it just means we're disconnected from him because we are love. We come from love. We cannot escape it. We can disconnect ourselves in a moment, which I did for a really long time. But once I got plugged back into him, oh my gosh. And that is what changed me when I would sit it was, like, two months.

0:17:24
Every morning, I would wake up and I just and the sun was coming in on my window and I'm just, like, oh, I just feel that's love. And I'm, like, I just want people to know this exists at this place with you. They can have it. They can be like this. They can just fall so in love with you and so in love with themselves and just that is what started and then finally was like, Lord, just start talking. What are you waiting for? Like, Why are you waiting for someone else to tell people about it? You start talking people about it. And I'm like, oh, yeah. I guess I could do that. So, you know, it's it took me a minute because, again, you have to get rid of that, you know, I'm not worthy or I don't have a purpose or I don't have or But we do. Every single person listening to this, you matter.

0:18:04
You are a very specific uniquely designed by god to do miracles and magical and one of the things, even greater things than Jesus did. That's in the bible. Even greater things. So when I sit there and I think about that, if I'm not doing greater things, then what am I doing? I need to do something different. Yeah. We do. We need to take what we have gone through and use it.

0:18:29
And I think there's so much to unpack in what you you're saying. And you know, one of the things that I don't wanna lose out on is this healing part of you know, sometimes we forget that when we heal, we turn that page. And I remember also going through that part in my my own personal, you know, healing where just when I thought I was doing well, Satan would bring back, you know, a snapshot of something that had happened or I had done. And the guilt and the pain was so real. And it took me a while to understand that I I had to love myself as well for for going through what I had gone through. You know, I was accepting God's love, but you know, here I was putting all of this on the lord, but I myself was not doing anything, you know, to to heal. You know, to say, I'm I'm past this. I'm no I'm no longer that person. What do you want me to do with that lord? And I think that's The other thing that I picked up on when you said is hearing god speak to us.

0:19:54
How do you recognize when god speaks to you? Because I still sometimes struggle with it. I'm so deep in my own thoughts and plans. I sometimes don't hear God's voice. What do you do to make I always take that time out, that quiet.

0:20:12
Especially especially in the morning. When you're first waking up, when you're not quite your mind is not quite awake and it's not scrambling quite yet, that's the best time to listen to God. So that's always like the first thing in the morning. I grab my phone, I see the first of the day, and I'm like, okay, God. What can I do for you today? And the shift is just, like, at first, it was, like, what can I do for you today? Or what should I do today? Or what can I easily do to help other people today? Like, you know, and then just listen for him to talk. And the thing about listening to him is the more that you do it, the easier it is, the faster it is. And it is possible.

0:20:53
And I've had people tell me, like, I can't hear him or he doesn't talk to me and I'm about the courteous. He's always talking to you. He's always talking to you. And not like that, but he's inside of you. And to have it there for us to to look at. So what are you most excited about? Oh, honest sleep. I'm gonna get get real here.

0:21:14
So for fourteen years now, basically, fourteen years ago, got it. He came to me and he said, I want you to give me your life. No more dating, no more general other junk. I want you trust me that I'm gonna do a work on you, and I'm gonna work on on your soul mate, and I'm gonna bring it together when it's the right time. And, of course, at the time, I'm like, yes. Please. I don't wanna carry this anymore. I'm horrible at it. I'm doing a horrible job.

0:21:39
And so fourteen years later, he's been I journal with him. I have so many so many so major. Of just when he speaks, I write it down. That's pretty much what it's been doing. And so he's been talking to me for fourteen years about working with marriages. And helping to manage back to the way he designed it because the world has distorted it so very much. But I've been fighting it because I'm like, whom am I? I'm just I'm a single person. What am I doing? How can I do this? What do you mean? I'm gonna have anything to do with marriage.

0:22:10
And finally, he he this is, like, really recent. He kinda got on me a little bit about, you know, how do you think because he's like, I know that you have this fear that you're gonna try to help these people, and then what happens if they don't find your soul mate, and now, you know, you didn't do something right. And he's like, like, you have any control over that at You're looking at this wrong. And I'm just like, oh, he's like, I'm the guy. I'm the only one who can bring them, but you're gonna teach them the step and the skills that they need to prepare themselves to meet their soul mate because it's the right time and it's the right place, but it's also the right dam at that moment. They can't be, you know, bringing all this there's too many people bringing all their baggage into marriage, and then wondering why you know, things aren't connecting and aligning the way that they're supposed to. We're not meant to take all of that baggage and paint and hurt into a marriage because it's covenant with God. And so and this is what really blew me away, and this just happened this week. Like I said, when you speak to me, I write it down. And so he already told me this is called marriage bound GPS. GPS stands for godly preparation season.

0:23:15
I stuck it out a word document. I put a shadow there. I'm like, okay. I I I see what you're saying, but I'm still like, I don't know. I don't know what you mean. And since November, he's been saying stuff to me. So last Thursday, I just happened to look at the word document. It was ninety three pages long. Ninety three. And I went, nice. Oh my goodness. So Saturday is it, and I pulled it all apart. And the outlines there and all these lessons are already, like, he's already spoke the lessons. And I'm just, like, this is really cool. So even while I was not so in alignment with what he was wanting me to do because he knew that I would write down what he said. Just kept doing it until I realized, oh my goodness, you've already ridden this entire course already. So that is what I'm super excited about is to get that going. Because right now, it's kind of been the finishing the kind of lessons up stage. And, yeah, that's gonna be coming out really soon, and I'm really excited about it. Yeah. I'm looking forward to to seeing that in print and being able to to read it.

0:24:22
It sounds really interesting, especially when as you said, if if it's someone who is not in the marriage. We don't expect that. Right? The unexpected, but -- Mhmm. -- you're right. God can use anyone at any time for that. What And this is what came to my head since I'm going with it is never allow someone else's words to become your truth.

0:24:46
Because that's what gets us caught up. If someone said something to us at some point in our life, and then we kept focusing on it. So now it became our truth even though it's not. Is not real. Like, maybe you're unworthy or or you don't have a purpose or you can't hear God. All of those are not true. If you can hear them, if you're listening. And you have a purpose, a mighty amazing, holy calling on your life.

0:25:10
So be very mindful of First of all, what other people are telling you? And secondly, if it's right or not. And that's why you need to be word reading god's word. To know it's true. So if someone does come and try to tell you something's on the songs, and you're like, that's not what God says. And you can disprove it right then and there instead of curing it. So that would be my first thing that I would say. Yeah. I I agree with you.

0:25:37
I think if we know the the word of God for our selves, we can tell if what we are being told is, first of all, the truth. Or if we are being huddl winged or, you know, if someone is just trying to lead us into the wrong direction. And I think that time that we spent and, you know, I think this is the difference between healing as a believer and healing in the world. The world is telling us you know, you need to do all of these things for yourself and you need to, you know, put it out there into the universe so that it comes back and you get what you want. Whereas with the word of God, we're told that we need to lay it up the Lord feet, at God's feet. And the more we tune in and the more we read his word. The more we will know what he wants from us. And that that should be our desire. Right? Not the desires of the flesh.

0:26:51
But why am I here? You know, what what is my my purpose. Right? You, you know, we all look at our past and have to make something of it. You know, and I I always say now that no matter what we've been through, that could help help someone today even if just one person. Right? It it was worth it for me. You know, this is how I've looked at it that would I go back to that? No. I wouldn't want that. You know, like it it was really difficult, but if it means helping someone get to know the lord and receive this beautiful gift, then it was worth it for me to go through this and use my testimony and my story for someone else. Mhmm.

0:27:52
You know, it's what what is the biggest takeaway that we should have from from experiencing the love that we have from god, this unconditional love that he has given us. How And what should we do with this? I think that's the thing. When you are just like marinating in his love, you wanna share it. You want people to feel it because when you're in his love, like I was saying before, like, there's no jealousy. There's no competition. There's it's all acceptance and race and under standing and and and you just want other people to have that feeling because it's there is no better feeling than sitting in in just god's love energy and it's beautiful and it's wonderful and and that I truly believe that the only true healing comes from god's love. There there is no total true healing from the world. I believe that with all that I am because the power of God's love is if you think about even just the woman that just touched she knew if she could just touch Jesus, she'd be healed. That's all she'd do is touch him. Because, I mean, that's how potent God's love is that you just touch it, you can be hills. I'm like, it blows your mind. So I can't imagine anything greater that you would wanna do when you're in it than to share it. And have everyone else know what it is. Yeah. I think that's the key. Right? We need to to be able to share it. Get over that fear of sharing and and and being mocked and laughed. Right? Because look at the world we're in today. Right?

0:29:48
Society makes it difficult to be Christians, you know, and to speak God's truth, not my truth, but God's truth, you know. And I I sometimes struggle with with those statements. You know, my truth is this, but it's not about me. It's about God's truth and what God wants us us to be doing. So, yeah, it is difficult to I I think what you do is very difficult, right, because you are telling the world about this amazing healing that you experienced through God.

0:30:30
And and, you know, his healing touch, like, the woman that you were talking about that, you know, just had that faith and what amazing faith is that. Right? And we see it throughout the bible, you know, the faith of these these people who believe that, you know, just him's like, Jesus saying a word would heal someone miles away. Mhmm. You know, that faith is what a strong faith that is, you know, we need to encourage each other on that and and encourage people to to turn to the lord. It's yeah. I think that's And I What's an amazing truth? About your truth versus his truth? Because I'm a great example for that. What you just said? Because in my truth, I'm like, I'm not a marriage counselor. What am I? Yeah. You're all god's like, but I've I've already prepared you. This is I chose you for this.

0:31:31
And the one thing I do know that your greatest joy is only found when you're in your soul's purpose. Because that's what you were designed to do. Mhmm. So I always tell people if you're not feeling the love in your what you're doing, then maybe that's not what you're meant to be doing because your soul it knows. And it will leap for joy when you're doing the right thing. And the opposite, if you're not sure, ask yourself, like, this one thing, if you could never ever do that one thing, tell yourself that. And then if you're because I told myself that if I could never ever help people understand how much they are loved and adored and taken healed. Mhmm. Like, if I never could do that for not even one person, I felt like my soul was just what in half. And I was like, because your son knows. It's it will be painful to go against what your soul purpose is. Yeah. Yeah. I I I agree with you on that very much. Is there anything that I should have asked you today that you would like to speak to? Something on your heart. I know that the only thing just keeps popping into my head is And that is something that I struggled with for a little bit.

0:32:47
I got kinda caught up in the law of attraction thing for a minute because it does. It sounds so great. Awesome. But the thing that we need to understand is that god's design of how this world works because he's unseen created a world at a scene. So everything starts in the unseen. So yes, we do have that ability because he says if you believe You ask you to receive. So that's already in play. So, yes, the law of the law of attraction will work, but the thing about law of attraction is that it tries to tell you that you in essence are gone. You are the one controlling what you're doing. When in fact -- Yeah. -- there's only two ways to go. Either God is controlling your future or the is controlling your future. So that's something to think about when you get caught up and, yeah, sounds great. And yes, if you believe you will receive, But there's a big blanks in there. You know what? I Yeah. You know what?

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I've struggled with this recently as well because I've had several believers. Tell me. About the law of attraction? Or what's the other thing that we talk about often not not a mood board, but, you know, like, put it up there. Oh, that vision board? Yeah. Like a vision board and if you if you put it up there and you visualize it, it will happen.

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And I have an issue with that as a believer. Now the world can do what it wants. I will not argue with them on that, but as a believer, I agree with you that the moment that I put what I want on this or the law of attraction, then what I am saying is in effect that my will and my knowing of my needs is greater than god's. Mhmm. I believe that god is all knowing. He knows everything. He knows what's best for me. So if I go into this and and pray and say, God, I want this, this, this, this. I'm putting it out there now. I I want it. I'm gonna work towards that. Am I really trusting that God is is going to do what is best for me? Or am I demanding certain things. You know, then I've lost that that very basic fundamental belief that God will do what is right -- Mhmm. -- and what you know, I I and I will be his vessel so to so to speak. Right? Mhmm. So, yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, we we need to be careful on how we approach this thing of, you know, vision boards, you know, law of attraction, there's so much out there that we need to be careful as believers.

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Lori, I really wanna thank you for sharing your your story, your wisdom, and your knowledge with my out of the darkness listeners. And my friends, if you want to know more about Laurie, and connect with her. Just check out the show notes below, and I have all her contact information there. And also where you can find her amazing books. It's all in the show notes. Thank you, Laurie. Thank you. Thank you for joining me to stay connected Follow me on Instagram and Facebook. If you like this podcast, can you help me find new listeners by leaving a rating and review. This small step takes only a moment, but really helps grow the listening audience. So let me thank you in advance. I hope you have a wonderful day and until next time. Let's continue on our journey as followers of Jesus Christ. I am Ruth Hovsepian.