Out of the Darkness with Ruth Hovsepian

Dissolving WAFFLES with DR. KATIE NALL

February 27, 2023 Ruth Hovsepian/Dr Katie Nall Season 1 Episode 8
Out of the Darkness with Ruth Hovsepian
Dissolving WAFFLES with DR. KATIE NALL
Show Notes Transcript

Dr. Katie Nall joins Ruth Hovsepian to discuss how to eliminate your WAFFLES – Worry, Anxiety, Fear, Frustration, Lethargy, Exhaustion, and Stress. 

 


Key Takeaways from this episode:

Stress can be:

Controlled

Managed

Eliminated

 

 

Connect with Dr. Katie Nall:

✔TEDx Speakerhttps://hi.switchy.io/NoMoreFear

✔Founder, Emotions Gym:  https://www.NallEdgeCo.com/Emotions-Gym

✔Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/FearNoMath

✔ ​Website:  www.NallEdgeCo.com

✔ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/KatieNallPhD

✔ Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/drnall

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0:00:00
 Do you struggle with stress at work, home, or school? Would you like to learn how to recognize control and even eliminate stress? If your answer is yes, then you are at the right place. If your answer is no, well then you are in denial. Doctor Katie Nall is my guest today, and we will discuss a technique you can use to eliminate your waffles. Keep listening to discover what this technique is, and what waffles is all about.
 
 0:00:29
 Hey, everybody. This is Ruth Hovsepian. And you are listening to the out of the darkness podcast. This podcast helps women of all ages and stages of life, to navigate insecurities, fears, and addictions and to live purposefully, authentically, and amazingly in Christ's Jesus. We tackle subjects such as faith, parenting, divorce, loneliness, addiction, and so much more. It's my prayer that these episodes inspire you and encourage you to be a fully devoted follower of Jesus Christ. So if you are new here, let me invite you to subscribe on your favorite podcast app. So that you can join us each week. For more information and free resources, visit ruth hopstarted dot com. This is root pops out again.
 
 0:01:28
 Doctor Katie Nall is a Layton Life doctoral student who earned her PhD in mathematics education just before her 60th birthday while working full time at a local community college. Doctor Nall is a mathematician, a TEDx speaker, a professional member of the National Bakers Association and an advanced certified practitioner in the emotional freedom technique, EFT, with additional trading in trauma and quantum EFT. Doctor Noel shot Dr. Nall shares her knowledge of EFT or tapping with math students and others who struggle with stress, fear, phobias, and anxiety. Welcome, doctor Kadinault. I am so excited to have you here today. And I would love my audience to get to know you and all the amazing things that you are doing and have done. You are a wealth of information and I want my audience to see that. So perhaps you can introduce yourself starting at any point that you want. And tell us who you are and how you've come to where you are today. Well, Ruth, I'm sorry if I did that your podcast is only two hours long, so I'll start it. I would forward that no. I won't do that. That would be wonderful. It'll be a two parter. I'm this summer, I will be celebrating our fiftieth wedding anniversary, which is a shock to both of us because that's to get into more sense for two years, totally different story. Congratulations. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. Yeah. We're still kicking in fine. And we have three amazing grown children who have married the three perfect people that I pray for when my kids were in six groups. And they have given us five adorable granddaughters. And as far as who I am, I'm a horrible housekeeper and a worst with no intention of rehabilitation. Why he stays is beyond me? So much true love. Yeah.
 
 0:03:49
 I think the backgrounds. I was in my mid fifties roots when I was able to pursue one of my lifelong and that was to earn my PhD. I was working full time at college where PhDs are valued. And I went to school at NICE and became a PhD in mathematics education. My other degrees are enough, statistics in computer science.
 
 0:04:17
 In the process of doing that, because I was an administrator of the college, I knew that I have a whole roomful of students who had one class left to finish before they could graduate. And that one class was math. Now, to me, I was like, this is great. You say the best for a left. Unfortunately, nobody in that room felt that way. We were trying to have my favorite subject. I was like, can't believe this. I don't understand. Exactly. I do not understand. But I wanted to help them, and so I bring them into office one, on one. And I say, okay, let's register you. Well, just saying the phrase that I'm gonna register you for math, people the students would change color. They could cover the plants in my office with the sweat on their homes. Like, they would just completely go into a catatonic state. And I'm like, we're just registering her mouth was not even in the mouth clause. They couldn't handle it.
 
 0:05:22
 So part of my dissertation research that I did root is I created a question that I Google and did lots of research on is how do you help students overcome fear and anxiety about math and test taking? You wanna know what I found? Nothing. There's, like, nothing out there. It's everything I found was, well, they should get a tutor, or they should study differently, or they should do this, or And there was nothing to get them over the hump of just registering for the class. However, I recognized my question as a math word problem? You would. Right? As a mathematician. As a math word problem, will you do this extra of heart that is meaningful. And for me, it was how do you eliminate fear and anxiety? That was in twenty ten, and I caught Nick Portner's ten day tapping summit. I would encourage everybody to do it. Every day, for ten days, he interviews some other specialists in an effect called emotional freedom technique or also called e f tea or chapping. I was in all ten days. I bought the book. I bought the DVD, but I was nervous.
 
 0:06:41
 Ruth, For ten days, they talked about how to eliminate fear and anxiety and relationships and money in your career. In all kinds of things, nobody mentioned math or testing. I had no idea if this was gonna work or not. And I had a roomful of desperate students. Now, Ruth, you and I both know. That desperate clients are the best. Right? Yes. Hundred percent. Because they will do anything to get to their goal.
 
 0:07:16
 So I took the students into my office one on one. I said, I have no idea if this is gonna work or not. Let's just try it. So we would try it. And they would walk away, and I sit there and go, I don't know what's going to happen. And then I started waiting, waiting, and waiting, and after a few weeks, one by one that came in and they're like, I'm not really sure, but I think I'm passing my math class. Wow. I didn't know who is more surprised them or me. I can't hear who's gonna work.
 
 0:07:52
 And we had students who actually graduated. Now you think what's a big deal about getting through math class? It wasn't just a math class. They had to get to the math class to get their diploma. Once they got their diploma that would direct career they were taking, the career they were taking could affect their entire family. So it wasn't just a math class or a math test. It was their entire future that we were talking about. So to be able to help them find a way that was not addictive, non invasive and self and directed that they could do themselves was so powerful.
 
 0:08:31
 And that's how I became known as a waffles dissolver. Alright. So the question that is up in the air now is what is waffles? Because I I I'm sure you have heard everyone say, is it the waffles we eat in the in the morning? You know, as as a Canadian, we we would probably use Canadian maple syrup and, you know, butter. But but what is waffles? I know what it is. But can you tell the the audience what waffles is? Well, Ruth, I'll tell you a little story.
 
 0:27:40
 What is one of the most important lessons that you have learned? Over your life's journey. Especially, I would say, in the in the last maybe, you know, thirteen years. But what what was it that sort of brought you to that point from the past? That's a great question, Ruth. And I don't know if I have yet learned the most important one. I'm a perpetual student. Mhmm. I'm always learning humility comes to mind. Humility along with being brave enough to speak up. So it's kind of an interesting combination. I believe in tapping so much and I've seen such dramatic changes in people that I I wanna get it out there. And I want people to understand that it's not Katy Knoll. That I am just teaching people how to be able to manage their own emotions so that they can make better decisions. I I would think it's a combination of humility and being brave enough to speak out. Howard Bauchner: And and at this point, What are you most excited about?
 
 0:29:00
 Oh, I am so excited about so much. Can you can you share one of them? Yeah. So one of my life goals is to dance at every one of our five granddaughter's weddings. Oh. The youngest one is two. And she's been of a a handful. So she's been thirty before. So I figured, I've gotta stay at line for the next thirty years. I'm gonna stay healthy for the next thirty years. And somewhere in between there, I gotta learn how to dance. I love that. I I love that attitude of, you know, your your what you're excited about giving yourself these goals, you know, short term and long term goals. Yeah. Totally. Totally. I also teach Chigong. So I have a couple of Chigong classes that I wanna take that are, you know, some of my goals.
 
 0:29:56
 And I'm writing my third book. On emotional wealth, how to stop living in emotional debt. And another halfway foundation, I would I really get excited to finish that up. Those are those are very interesting projects. If you wanna call them that, that you have going on. It's it's always I think important that and I think that that is part of the way I deal with my waffles. Is looking at the projects I have going on or what I'm trying to achieve at a certain point in my life. And right now, for the first time in my life, I don't have a plan. For the first time in my life.
 
 0:30:42
 From the time I was a young child, it was, you know, sort of I I don't know if it was from my environment or if it was who I am, where every I've always said, okay, when I'm this age, I will do this. When I'm this age, I will do that. If I'm if I turn thirty and I'm not married, I will adopt a child. I I would say this. It would frustrate my parents to no no end when I would say this to them. Or, you know, this. And then when I had children, I wanted to do this.
 
 0:31:19
 But for the first time at fifty seven, I've kind of said, Lord, I I don't know where I'm going anymore. I've had to re you know, re what's create myself so many times because of circumstances in life. That as I said at fifty seven. I've sort of said, Lord, I don't know where I'm going. You know, where where give a mouth to your mind to others. And now that it's time for you, it's hard to decide which way to go. Yeah. And I'm like, it is, you know, I I want to take my life experience as the good and the negative, you know, and the bad. And be able to use it for for good, for someone's benefit. Right? So I'm at that point in my life where I said, Lord, I really don't know where you want me to go and want to do.
 
 0:32:16
 And, you know, the book that I wrote or this podcast or whatever I've been doing has gone sort of very differently than what I've ever done in the past. I've always mapped it out and you know, plan things to the nth degree. And for the first time, I'm sort of following you know, we say our gut, but I don't believe it's just my gut. It's what the lord has put into my heart and said, do this. And Yeah. I've I'm the one that's been benefiting by doing these podcasts. I've been learning so much And as you said, I I never thought about it this way, but I think I'm a student of life as well. I love to learn from others. So, yeah, I'm at that point in my life where I'm like, I don't know where where I'm being led. I'm just going. And it's a good place. You know, I'm happy. For the first time, I'm not stressed about decision making in that way. You know. So so it's really cool that you are open to whatever is happening.
 
 0:33:29
 I just had an experience today where I was praying that I wanted help. Mhmm. Right? In fact, one of my books is called shower things. And in there, I talk about when you pray, you should pray a lot. Yeah. A l o t, and that a is forecasting. Right? The example I gave is I knew my kids needed food and water and, you know, everything else. There's no way I would have known they wanted a red wagon unless they got suede for it. And so be bold enough to ask. Right? And then listen because when we have prayer, it's a conversation. Yeah. And we have to listen. So we ask, and then we listen. And the listening can come in a lot of different ways. It can be our intuition or gut. It can be, you know, a white feather on a path. It can be meeting somebody wonderful like Ruth. It can be a lot of different ways.
 
 0:34:28
 The hardest one for me is obey. Because when you hear something or see something or know something, it may not be what you thought it was gonna be. And in my book, I talked about how I actually heard a voice, it said I had to give a thousand dollars to a church. I was not attending. You know? I did not even have a hundred dollars. And so I started arguing with the voice about where most of us get to a thousand dollars. And so, eventually, it it all ended up happening. But whatever you get told, remember the story about Jona, that you need to obey. You need to obey. And the last one is when you pray a lot, at the very end, you should always give thanks and that's what the t stands for.
 
 0:35:16
 I had an accident with my my grandson was in the car with me and this elderly woman pulled up front of me in her great, big boat of a car. And I I tried to brake, but I couldn't do anything, and I ran right in the side of her car, and she admitted it was her fault. Had to take the car in and as I was picking it up after it'd been worked on. And, of course, I gave facts. I mean, who gives thanks after a car accident? But I give thanks because I kind of trained myself to do that. And when I like to pick it up, the mechanic said, lady, you're really lucky. I said, yeah. Yeah. I know. Nobody was hurt. You know? I'm really glad. And he said, no, lady. You are really lucky. That front axle and your jeep was ready to fall off. And if you hadn't had that accident and when she had to pay to place the ax axle, and everything else.
 
 0:36:08
 I don't know what would have happened if that would have gone off in the middle of the of the highway. I Yeah. My my grandmother, who was a prayer warrior, had really had in gray you know, that was ingrained in her to thank God for even the worst of situations. Yeah. You know? And I say the same thing, you know. And and sometimes people laugh at me when I do that. But that has become the way I also cope with things. You know? It could have been worse. Like the accident, that would have been my my reaction to it thank you lord. I'm alive and I'm able to say thank you lord for this, you know, even in the worst of cases. So yes, to me, that is very important.
 
 0:36:58
 The prayer is a a great way to and sorry. But just to backtrack, don't pray unless you want that answer. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. And be sure of what you are praying for. Right? You know, sometimes we become very insistent on wanting something or something in particular or in in the timeline that we wanted. And, you know, sometimes, God will give it to us and grant it to us and, you know, and And then when you look back at it, you thought that you say that's why God was not giving it to me at a particular time, but yeah, it is important to I I think it's important to have certain actions in place in our lives to deal with different things What is one piece of advice that you can share with us today?
 
 0:38:01
 One of my favorite phrases is This too shall pass. So if you are down in the dumps and you're having a horrible day, Just know that tomorrow morning, the sun will shine and there will be something different about it. And if you're having a lovely life, enjoy it, live it, and feel it in your body. Enjoy every moment. Yeah. Because this too shall pass. Amen. Mhmm. And what as a final takeaway for us, what is one takeaway? That you hope that the listeners learn from our conversation today.
 
 0:38:44
 Ruth, I would love for your listeners to understand how dangerous stress is on our bodies. Eighty percent of the medical visits are stress related And I would also like them to understand that stress is something that they can control, manage, and even eliminate. There are lots of different ways to do it. I would encourage him to find one that works for them. I am my my personal favorite obviously is Waffles design. Using emotional freedom technique or EFT. But people feel like if they're uncomfortable, they have to race around to somebody else for help. Mhmm. And, really, there are so many things you could do yourself. To eliminate and never have stress again.
 
 0:39:36
 Howard Bauchner: Amazing. Thank you so much and Katie, I thank you for joining us today and for sharing your story, your wisdom, and your knowledge. With my out of the darkness listeners. And my friends, please check out the show notes down below for ways to connect with doctor Katie Nall and where you can get more information information on waffles and on tapping. Thank you so much, and I am very excited about everything that I have learned today. Thank you, Ruth. Thank you. Thank you for joining me. To stay connected, follow me on Instagram and Facebook. If you like this podcast, can you help me find new listeners by leaving a rating and review? This small step takes only a moment but really helps grow the listening audience. So let me thank you in advance. I hope you have a wonderful day and until next time. Let's continue on our journey as followers of Jesus Christ. I am Ruth Hovsepian.